he lived in those states. >> i'm not betting on andy cuomo over joe biden, a sitting vice president. i know that the rest of this -- >> i would. i would definitely -- >> i'm just saying. >> that's the same argument we made for hillary clinton. well, she's going to have the money. she's got the establishment and all good people around her. andrew cuomo does not come into that race as formidable as hillary clinton looked in 2007. >> what about a republican? how do you prevent a republican primary picture that you guys had, which i think a lot of you folks and romney believe the -- >> look, i think the debates, actually, were -- became a bit of a side show there, and if you looked at the volatility of the electorate at the time and how the -- and how the numbers went up and down based on debate performances and the sideshow that they became, i think that was something that had a very big effect. i think the rnc can step in and take more of a management role many the process there and have an impact on an eventual nominee and have that nominee much more viably positioned for a general el